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SwainPDX's avatar

Great article overall, but one quibble: the idea that Ukraine could have ‘kept the Russian nukes’ to maintain balance of power against a future Putin is a common fallacy…it’s a myth that has grown larger since 2022 and has even been perpetuated by people like Zelenskyy.

Jeffrey Lewis did a good job explaining this just before the start of the Russia/Ukraine war in an Arms Control Wonk pod.

In short, USSR nuclear forces deployed in Ukraine (& Belarus & Khazakstan) were owned, controlled, and maintained - not by some mixed pan-Soviet teams - but by Russian units led Russian generals who were loyal to Moscow.

It is true that newly independent Ukraine used *physical* possession of Russian nukes to extract economic concessions in the early 1990’s, but it was posturing. They had few options - first, they weren’t legal owners, which sounds like an academic point, but it really isn’t…keeping the weapons would have led to an international crisis. But more important there was no realistic path for Ukrainian military to keep them, turn them around and use them as a deterrent.

Modern nuclear weapons are not hand grenades…they are complex and delicately balanced systems that have to be cared for and fed by teams of experts. They can only be put on target and detonated by way of complex delivery systems using purpose-built command & control systems…and only with the permission of people who own the proverbial launch codes…*none* of whom were in Kiev (Kyiv?) after the breakup of the USSR.

Ukraine did not independently possess the technology to make use of them in the same way that Turkey does not possess that ability should US personnel suddenly abandon Inserlik. (Another analogy: If someone parked a loaded F-35 in your driveway and tossed the keys in your mailbox, there’s no chance you could prep it, start it, take off, and bomb the local shopping mall.)

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Stephan's avatar

What do you think is Israel’s theory of victory? Because while the attack seems to play out very well for them, they certainly went „all in“. Future peace with Iran will be hard and the gain Iran expects from the bomb also went up.

Unless they are very sure this delays the bomb significantly (or leads to regime change), this adds a lot of risk to have a hot conflict with a (soon) nuclear armed country.

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