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Kat Woods's avatar

Why do you say they're advocating for a "global surveillance state"?

They're advocating for regulating one particular thing at a global level, much like we already have global regulations around uranium or emissions. That doesn't make our current world a "global surveillance state".

Global surveillance state makes people think a world government and surveillance over *everything*. Not international treaties monitoring a very specific thing that the vast majority of people would never have anything to do with in the first place.

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> Today’s AIs are great at understanding why this is a bad idea and constructing a much more coherent strategy, and much worse at actually carrying out the strategy — today’s AIs would know not to order several tons of raw meat but also would not be able to even if they wanted to. This is an important inversion that gives some room for hope.

Yudkowsky's point (which he makes very, _very_ clearly in the book) has always been that ASI won't _do_ what we want, never that it won't _know_ what we want. An AI that is asked to order sandwiches and interprets that as "order raw meat" is not a super-intelligence. In fact it's quite stupid. This is a book about super-intelligence.

An ASI that, through some quirk of training, decides it likes large amounts of raw meat, if asked to order sandwiches, will order sandwiches. Then later, when you're unprepared, it will kill you for your meat (or actually it will kill you because you're standing in the way of the meat it wants)

Why do you repeat bad points which Yudkowsky clearly addressed. It almost feels like you only read half the book.

> A truly superintelligent being might develop goals that are completely incomprehensible but nonetheless non-competitive with humanity.

Page 89 "They won't leave us alone" _directly_ addresses this. If you found that section unconvincing, you might as well explain _why_ you found it unconvincing. But it's not particularly a good sign if you don't even acknowledge or respond to it.

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